The detectability of Dr. Elist's implant

[UncleJJ]

Hey Mango: Did you have your surgery? Tell us about it. Hope all is going great for you.....

[stale_mango]

I'm not even a week post surgery yet, so I don't want to say too much, but so far my experience has mirrored a lot of the other gentlemen's who have opted for surgery with Dr. James J. Elist ("Dr. Elist"). Instead of providing a long, drawn out account of events, I'll simply throw a couple of thoughts out there which have ran through my mind since meeting with Dr. Elist and returning to New York. Please do not hesitate to respond or shoot me a personal message if you'd like to discuss further, or if you disagree.

The members of this forum are a minute portion of the gentlemen having penis enlargement ("PE") with Dr. Elist. During the four times I was at his office (a combined total of approximately two and a half hours), Dr. Elist had follow-ups with two or three patients who already had PE with him (the walls are paper thin) and the office manager scheduled another gentleman who was ready to go under the knife. Business appears to be booming and I believe (i) there are a lot of success stories which we aren't reading on these forums and (ii) as the amount of experience he has with the procedure continues to increase, more than likely, he's getting better at performing it and addressing issues which have been previously raised (I'll explain my reasoning for this assumption later).

I don't believe men who decide to undergo PE with Dr. Elist will be fooling any ladies for long. Granted, the women I dealt with while out in Beverly Hills, specifically, the ladies in Dr. Elist's office and the ladies at the surgery center, may be in a bubble, but it's a known fact that women talk. The incision made to insert the implant is conspicuous and it's only a matter of time before women start checking for it in a manner similar to how men check for the many points of entry used to insert breast implants when we see a woman with a chest that's just too good to be true. As stated earlier, I don't believe the majority of women will care and I hold firmly to the belief that men are just as insecure as women, if not more, and a woman's discovery that a man has had PE will affect him more if he was attempting to hide it.

Your mileage may vary with the Tylenol 3 Dr. Elist prescribes, but for me, it was one of the biggest let downs of my life. To give my experience a little perspective, I had four wisdom teeth removed, without undergoing IV sedation, earlier this year. When I arrived home, I went to sleep, woke up in a lot of pain, took a couple of Motrins, which alleviated all the pain I was feeling in as little as twenty minutes, and I kept my life moving, returning to work the very next day. As someone with a very high pain threshold, the pain I was in when I came around after surgery was the worse physical pain I've ever experienced in my life. The Tylenol 3 did little to nothing and after weighing how 'effective' they were in relation to the potential damage they can do to your kidneys, I stopped taking them by day two.

I've found creative ways to urinate and wash after PE surgery. The first several times I urinated, I think there was just as much urine on the bathroom floor as I managed to get in the toilet. I felt horrible that the maid had to clean my mess up. I then made a funnel from the pages of a magazine in my hotel room. Whenever I needed to urinate, I would rip three pages out, roll it up and expand one end a little so my penis could fit inside and point the other end over the toilet. I'm anal about washing my buttocks after moving my bowels because I find it ludicrous when people think they wipe 100% of the fecal matter clean, 100% of the time. To wash my buttocks and lower body, I placed a latex glove over my penis (a condom is too tight to fit), faced away from the shower hose and cleaned from behind. I've used this method several times now and my drain, stitches and penis have remained dry each time.

If any of you gentlemen are so far up Dr. Elist's rear to understand that no experience is 100% positive, then do us both a favor and skip this paragraph. I whole-heartedly agree with all of the statements which have been made regarding Dr. Elist's good nature and competence. He provided me with several days and nights at a nice hotel, gave me a ride back to the hotel after the surgery, saw me for a follow-up every day I remained after the surgery, made himself and his assistant available to answer any questions or concerns I had and provided me with a bag of necessaries to travel back to New York with, all without me even asking. Yes, professionals sometimes factor services such as these into their quoted price, but when you've been around some 'professionals' that I've dealt with, you realize that if they don't feel like it and it wasn't discussed beforehand, they don't have to give you anything more than what you paid for. With all of this said, sometimes Dr. Elist can be extremely busy. There were instances, which I won't mention since I realize things happen which aren't in our control and I understand that I'm not Dr. Elist's only patient, where I felt his timing could have been more on point. If you are on a tight time schedule, you may want to consider if (i) you absolutely need to see him that day or (ii) you're allocating enough time to allow for unforeseen issues, despite how smoothly things may have gone on previous visits.

Before arriving in Los Angeles I wasn't sure what Dr. Ira's role was. After leaving Los Angeles, I'm still not exactly sure. What I have found is that he is extremely thorough. When talking to him in person and on the telephone, there isn't a sense of extreme urgency in his voice. With my pants already off before he came into the room, I think by the amount of fluid in my drain, he questioned whether I was wearing the proper type of undergarment to support my penis and testicles. I wasn't. Had he not noticed, I would have came back to New York and continued not supporting my penis. He has contacted me several times already to follow-up. Based on what I gathered between hearing him and Dr. Elist talk, I don't believe he was present while Dr. Elist performed my PE surgery. There's a Swedish gentleman there, who looked as if he just stepped off the runway of a fashion show or out of a GQ magazine, who mentioned that he's not present during surgery either. Is Dr. Elist performing these surgeries alone?

There's more, but I'm going to hold off for now and be patient regarding the healing process.

[MyNewSize]

Thanks Mango,

There's a lot of information there. Dr. Elist performs several general urology surgeries a month as well, are you sure that some of the men in the waiting room had actual enlargement surgery, or possibly just some sort of penis corrective surgery? Obviously Ira, and staff are there to compliment Dr. Elist, and if he's busy they are available to assist you. Dr. Elist was L.A. punctual for me last year, inevitibly traffic can delay any pre-op/post-op meeting. I stayed a week and had 3 post-op visits, ended up leaving the jackson-pratt drain in for about 10+ days. 11 days to be exact because when I returned home, I spent an entire day trying to have other "medical professionals" pull it. Even though I pulled dozens working on a med-surge unit, I just feared that I'd wimp out with 3/4 of the 7" drain still lodged in my penis. On the night of the 11th day I called Dr. Elist and he gave me enough courage to pull continuously until the 7" octopus tentacle was completely pulled out. What a relief drain removal day is.

[stale_mango]

Hearing Dr. Elist talk about the capsule forming, I'm sure the two gentlemen who were there the first and last times I was at his office were post-implant patients. You're right, though, not only are there patients of Dr. Elist who are there for other urological issues, but there are patients for the other professionals in the shared office. On the last day I was there, a gentleman and I started talking and he mentioned he was there because he slammed his thumb in a cabinet door. I had my luggage with me and he thought I was a pharmaceutical salesman. When I informed him that I wasn't, he asked if I was there to see the same practitioner as he was and I had a chuckle inside before replying. On a more serious note, on the first day, there was an older woman walking slowly with a cane who appeared to be in distress. As I sat there waiting to be seen, I couldn't help but realize how vain I was being while there are people suffering with real issues.

Speaking of the first day, when I had my consultation with Dr. Elist before the surgery, I inquired whether the capsule was actually scar tissue as I've mistakenly believed. For those of you under the same assumption, the capsule is not scar tissue. Dr. Ira later mentioned that as the capsule forms, you gain even more girth.

I can't wait until I receive the go ahead to remove my drain. I was under the impression that it would have been removed before departing Los Angeles, but I quickly realized it wouldn't as I saw my output level wasn't decreasing fast enough. There's no doubt about it that it's related to some of the pain I feel sometimes during sleeping. I know it's not always an erection causing the pain because if I stand up and sit in my chair, I'm fine. As a result, I've been sleeping upright in my chair instead of in the bed at times. I never liked sleeping on my back anyway. I feel like a turtle when I'm in that position. For those of you in, or soon to be in, the same situation, I've included the account of 'muchhappiernow' from the old board, which I saved in my PE files, dated Thursday, April 16, 2009, 2:37 p.m. Needless to say, I'm not looking forward to the pain.

Originally Posted by muchhappiernow

Now, from that first pee forward, I started to get severe burning sensations in the head of my penis. They just popped up every once in a while. They were BAD. On a scale of 1 to 10, well, I’ve never felt ANYTHING like it, it was a 10! It felt like someone was pouring acid on my glands! I was completely immobilized when it hit. I had thought that maybe it was because my foreskin was holding back some urine after I pee so I started to use a wet q-tip to clean around in there after every bathroom usage (to no avail, but I’m still glad I cleaned the area). I had to get used to that pain over the next few days. It lasted for the first 5 days after surgery. It’s only been 8 days now but I’m hoping it doesn’t return. I don’t think it will as I believe it relates to the drain that the doctor inserted, but I’ll explain why below.

The next few days I lay around and tried not to do too much. I still had that burning sensation hit my penis every now and then. And then came Monday. I had to get to work so I drove in. I figured that I would take the drain out in the evening in case it caused too much pain to go to work. Driving to work was bad enough. I still couldn’t bend at the hips very well so I had to shift my seat back all the way and the angle had to be adjusted to 45 degrees. And it still hurt!

So Monday night I get everything ready. After I take out the drain I’m supposed to use a gauze sheet to press on the entry point to stop the bleeding and then just put a band-aid on it. The doctor explained to me that I had to grab the cord and pull it firmly and forcefully sideways from my body. First, the remainder of the tube should come out and then the white ’collection’ portion of the tube will follow. I didn’t know where the ‘collection’ part was inside of me. It may have been in my penis or somewhere around it but I knew it was close because the tube caught a lot of my blood and urine. So it’s time to pull it out. I get naked and get in the tub. I start to do as the doctor says and HOLY CRAP does it hurt. I’m just not cut out for this. It wasn’t coming out and I was pulling HARD. I wasn’t jerking it, just nice and smooth. I immediately thought “damn, I’m gonna have to fly back to LA to get the doc to take this out!”. But that was just a quick stupid-spell. It was throbbing pretty bad at this point so I tried again. I just wanted it out. I managed to get it to the point of seeing the beginning of the white tube and then… OMG!! The pain! At that moment I remembered that Dr. Elist told me that there would be a burning sensation when I pulled it out. THIS WAS IT. It was the same pain as I was having frequently for the past few days, except 10-fold! I stopped to get my composure. Actually, I felt immobilized again and just couldn’t keep pulling. The pain was harsh but didn’t last very long this time, a few seconds. I grabbed it again and pulled. Well, the last pull answered my question: it was definitely IN my penis! I could feel it as it slid out. Finally, it was all out. Once you get about an inch into the white part, it comes out very easily.

Unfortunately for me, I think the pain was a little too much. I didn’t expect this but all of a sudden my vision started to blur and I felt weak all over. My knee’s buckled and I barely got control back in my leg muscles to hold myself up. I extended my arms to try to catch the sides of the tub incase I fell. I really thought I was going to pass out. I should have sat down but for some reason I couldn’t. I didn’t want to bend my legs willingly because I thought that would be it. I’d just faint right there. And then I got this HUGE craving for some ginger ale?! Don’t know why, it just popped into my head. It took about 3 minutes but I finally got my composure back. I still can’t believe how much it hurt. Btw, I had no ginger ale in the house but a big glass of OJ did the trick. I started to feel better immediately after drinking it. I cleaned up and re-wrapped everything and lay down to rest. I felt much better the next day. It was finally out!

[SMG]

Hey MyNewSize boy you are one tough cookie removing the drain yourself! I had Elist remove mine and it was easily the most painful 2-3 seconds in my whole experience. I can't imagine trying to do it myself, more power to you!

Mango I also stopped taking the Tylenol after 2-3 days, they provided no relief for me whatsoever. Just keep truckin! I'm about 24 days post op now so not far ahead of you, hell I might have even crossed paths with you in Elists office.

Goodluck on the healing!

[muchhappiernow]

I've had both the large and extra-large implant, separately (of course), for some time and here's what I think about detectability: Both implants seem to have the same "taper", meaning, they both reduce circumference to the glans in a similar ratio (or very close). My starting erect measurements were 6 inch length by 4.75 inch circ. The thing with the Elist implant is that you have to get used to the cone shape that your penis will be afterword. The XL definitely looks less realistic than the L. The next time I go (which is a whole other story) I will probably get the L, or, I'll ask for a custom implant that is smaller than that. I'm (one of the few) not too concerned with total girth enhancement. I'd be happy with much less than even the L implant; especially if I could get the taper to be much smaller and therefore, make it look more realistic.
As for girls noticing it: Ever since I got the large implant, I thought that the first girl I was with would notice. Even after 3 months I could feel the ridges on the underside of the implant. Near the glans wasen't so good either as the implant was quite a bit "tougher" than the glans (and so, the transition from implant to glans was quite noticable). So I thought I'd be detected immediately with it. But, that didn't stop me from trying :-). But you know what? None of them said a damn thing and each were quite happy afterward. Which doesn't mean that they didn't notice. I really can't comment on that; but did make me feel a bit better about it. BTW, my girth with the L implant was 6 5/8 inch at the base, 6 1/4 inch at mid-shaft and 5 1/8 inch just behind the glans. So you can see the kind of taper I'm talking about. Then, I got the XL implant put in (I'll have to explain why in a different thread; it's a long story). I expected to get similar results simply with a bigger size but... I actually liked the XL better from a detectability standpoint. I couldn't feel the edges at all! It was great. There was still the problem from glans to shaft but I could live with that. The only other problem left was the MASSIVE taper from base to glans. My measurement at the base was (are you ready for this?) 7 5/8 inch, at mid-shaft was 7 1/8 inch and just behind the glans was 6 1/4 inch. Just HUGE! I really didn't expect it to be that much bigger than the L implant. But those are the facts... By this point I thought that it would be completely obvious to women that SOMETHING was not "natural". So, again, I had to try...
And this time? Same result. In fact, I knew friends of 2 of the girls I was with and they're quite gossipy. So when I got around to speaking with them I got the same response from both. Basically they said: "my friend 'girl X' said your penis is huge!". And that was it.
Maybe penis enlargement surgery is CONSIDERED so uncommon that even if a women suspects it, they put it out of their mind as a stupid idea (?). Which is ok, i guess, but still I think that it looks quite strange. Definitely no natural penis out there that looks like that.
So take from the above what you will. It's the truth.

[muchhappiernow]

stale_mango - I'm glad you kept my original post. I hope it provided some information that people were seeking. I tried to be as upfront and honest as possible.

Now as to the capsule, I can tell you that "most definitely" it adds to the girth gain (I'll soon have a post up to explain why I KNOW this is true). But I'm not sure what it is composed of (didn't ask). So I will ask the doctor about this when I see him next and report what he says.

As for the drain, heh, I've removed it 3 times now (the first was by far the worst) and I'll tell you, the last time, I just pulled it out with no problem. Feel like a pro now! But again, I'll have to explain why in a different thread as I don't want to derail this one.

Hope all is well with you!

[stale_mango]

muchhappiernow,

Yet again, thank you for the very informative posts. It goes without saying that contributions such as yours helped me make my decision to undergo PE surgery. I believe you're correct when you say, "[m]aybe penis enlargement surgery is CONSIDERED so uncommon that even if a women suspects it, they put it out of their mind as a stupid idea (?)", but as I mentioned earlier, it's only a matter of time before women become aware of what to look for if they suspect PE.

I have a question for anyone who knows the answer. Dr. Elist outfitted me with the XL implant. However, my penis doesn't exactly appear 'XLish'. As a grower and not a shower, can I expect the same gains I experienced before surgery between my flaccid and erect states? I doubt this will be the case with length, but how about with girth?

[londonlad]

guys thanks for your posts, really informative...and good luck with healing Mango

MHN in all honesty, with all said and done, was it worth it for you? Obviously before you did it girls reactions were top priority but now that you've had the surgery and had success in terms of girls noticing the difference, was it worth it in hindsight? ie have your priorities changed?

ill give an example, when I was a teenager and still a virgin my priority was to get laid and it was all I could think about. Once that hurdle was over I got bored and the next hurdle was making the girl cum real good. Once I understood a little bit about girls I mostly passed that hurdle too and again I got bored and my next hurdle was to be someone that evrey girl on the planet wanted. Im still working on that one lol. But my point is I remember clearly the turmoil I went through when I was a virgin and now I look back at that time and wonder what I was worrying about.

Now that you have reached your goal do you have new priorities/goals in that you now know you have the big dick thing covered? And was it as important as you once thought? I really want to know this

how old are you guys again?

I like that you guys have had successes, I dont even mind the tapering thing too much, or even that girls may notice (most girls I know havent been with tons of dicks to know if something is odd), but Im still very very weary of the long term effect something permanent and semi-stiff will have on the tissue in my penis...

I think for now I am going to keep myself really healthy and see what comes about in ten years time because I still remember that silicone disasters photos and would not be able to get that out of my head if I had something like this in my penis

thanks

[londonlad]

and if you downsize MHN, will your skin be extraordinarily looser?