im 1 Month post-op lenghtneing & Belloderm

[kingpin]

hey guys,
i thought id share my experience with penis enlargment. i got lengthening and widening using belloderm. I am already VERY happy with the results. My erect girth has gone from about 4.9 mid shaft to 5.5. As for length i dont start my stretching til next week, but any retraction i had is now gone and im basically at my original length prior to starting my post op stretching routine. my pre op erect length was about 7 maybe a bit less im hoping to get to at least 8 erect anything higher is a bonus... I noticed most of the posts on here are about Elist ( i didnt want a plastic implant in my cock, so Elist wasnt even an option for me) and not many about belloderm or alloderm. If u have any questions for me ill be happy to answer. I can help anyone who is planning to get this surgery. i can say im VERY happy with my results so far and lookin forward to future length gains...i have pics but im not gonna post any til im done my stretching routine in about 3-4 months

[londonlad]

thanks a lot for your story Kingpin, glad you had a successful outcome

who did you get the surgery done by and when?

there were actually lots of stories of alloderm on the previous forum, some were good but many were bad as they complained of reabsorption and contractions years down the line causing permanent penile shortening and curvature necessitating removal of the graft

i remember BTCs story when his external wound wouldnt close because the alloderm wasnt his own tissue so the body did not realise it had to close the incision as the alloderm was in the way

i think thats why people were put off it and looked into other alternatives

anyway your starting length was pretty long, do you know if one single piece of belladerm graft was used or were two pieces joined together?

did the surgeon enhance the head....and did you have an incision near the head as well as the base?

you really should count yourself lucky and the gain that you got is very very significant so no wonder you are happy

long may that good luck continue and really look forward to the pics, thanks again

[kingpin]

Hey Londonlad,

im im not 100% sure but i think the doctor used multiple pieces of belladerm sutured together. He also told me that the belladerm seems to be thicker than the alloderm so ppl prefer it. the incision is only at the base. The doctor told me he had stopped doing the procedure with the incision at the head because the main problem he was having was how long the head incision would take to heal; and the incision at the base heals so much easier. To be honest i think my incision was basically fully healed in 2 weeks and im amazed how small the incision scar is.

The doctor i used was Rosenthal and he was very nice with me. I actually got cold feet the nite before surgery and cancelled it, but he was really patient with me and calmed my fears. I ended up doing it...he even dropped me off at my hotel after surgery and drove me to the airport after my last examination before i went home. i cant say enough about how nice he was.

i Didnt get the head of my penis enhanced because its not permanent, so i figured whats the point. However my penis doesnt look disproportionate. i think the head of my penis was naturally larger, so this proceudre actually looks like it has even it out.

You mentioned that some ppl on the old forum had issues with healing and alloderm or belloderm. I dont understand how that could be, because i looked into it fairly extensivly before gettin the surgery and apprently skin graphs with bella or alloderm take to the person about 99% of the time. So maybe the person u mentioned was really unlucky....

[londonlad]

great thanks

So I guess he doesnt stitch the graft near the head so its loose...

Nah it wasn't just one person more like 20 different people on 2 or 3 different forums and after speaking to Gary Alter

I read this thread Surgical Enlargement Mini Forum. - Thunder's Place Free Penis Enlargement Forums

and then hearing the arguments for dermal grafts vs alloderm confused me even more so id be really interested to ear your entire thought process

what research led you to do it with rosenthal in the end and how much did it cost

[londonlad]

Here was the letter that most put me off alloderm

To: Surgical_Enlargement_Forum@yahoogroups.com
From: "Ken" **Add to Address Book
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:47:01 -0000
Subject: [Surgical_Enlargement_Forum] Ken against Alloderm and "The Future"


Gentlemen,

Because everyone has jumped on the Alloderm bandwagon does not mean it is a good thing.* This is a cash cow and those who are doing these surgeries are now looking for ways to keep that cash cow paying off.*

There have been numerous problems with Alloderm and it's intended
usage was not for penile enhancement.* Alloderm was designed for
exterior usage in burn victims with a primary direction towards skin
grafting.* I can currently name 5 enhancement patients who have had
to have this removed several years after the implantation because
severe scar tissue formed around it.*

Next minor little "problem".

There is NO commonality between tissue harvested from your own body
and "Alloderm".* The ONLY thing that they have in common is a basis
in human cell structure.* Good, Bad or whatever your own immune
system is NOT going to be "alerted" by something which originated
inside your own body because it is NOT foreign.* Though every effort
is made by the manufacturer to prevent immune responses to Alloderm,
it does not always work.*

Gary Alter has a sterling reputation without a blemish.* I do not see
Gary Alter running to jump on the Alloderm Bandwagon.* The reason is
simple.* He has over the past few years had to yank too much of this
stuff out!* Alter is one of the best of our group, and the fellow who
has by his actions which speak far louder than words stated: "I will
not do girth enhancement BECAUSE we do not have a manner to do it
that is as of right now acceptable to MY OWN SELF IMPOSED
standards."*

Alloderm has in enhancement surgery had a rather poor reputation in
the past. It gets implanted on the east coast, and surgically removed
on the west coast.* Even if the techniques improve considerably for
implantation, it is still a "foreign body".* It will take 5-7 years
before the problems with scar tissue will become apparent in some
men.* What is a "good job" now, may not be as the hands of time march
on.* THIS is where the problem lies.*

Gary Rheinschild is a personal friend and has at this time decided
that Alloderm and his techniques combined will equal a good outcome.*
I have the highest respect and love for Gary Rheinschild as an MD,* a
personal friend, and as a great and caring man.* I personally do
reserve the right however to* disagree with his decision with regards
to Alloderm.* Considering Gary Rheinschild's age, by the time that
late developing problems start to rear their ugly heads, from
surgical procedures performed in 2004 this great man will most likely
be retired from surgical practice.* My personal fear gentlemen is not
the short-term results, but instead the very long-term results
because of a human immune response called "encapsulation".

There have been cases in female breast augmentation where saline
implants became totally encapsulated in scar tissue over a period of
time, because of this immune response.* When this happens, the scar
tissue and the implant have to be removed and because of the nature
of scar tissue, a great deal of other tissue must be cut away in the
process.* Gentlemen, I can tell you from a rather
interesting "personal experience" some years ago with an "exotic-
dancer" who would in size have made Dolly Parton look small, that
when this takes place these things feel like a bad quality 40 year
old Levitz cheap sofa!* This gal after her retirement from
the "profession" as a stripper and dancer (and I do not mean
prostitution) had to have her whole chest rebuilt and the surgical
problems were extensive.* She made great money, and getting
the "rebuild" cost her about the same as a 5 year old Rolls Royce
Corniche Convertable at the time.** Her name was Judy and she was an
incredible lady and a good friend for many years.*

In a penis, there is no where near the volume of tissue that there is
in a breast, the composition of penile tissue is different, and
because erections (which require elasticity) are involved, you get a
real mess and can go into an artificially created state of Peyronies
if this whole thing goes wrong!* This is NOT good.* Will it happen
with everyone?* NO!* This is one of thouse "Roulette Wheel" things
fellows.* Want to take that chance that it will be you!* By all means
go for the Alloderm!

Gentlemen, there is NO future for most in phalloplastic surgical
procedures at all.* Surgical procedures are a short term solution
that is what we have for now.* The research that "Bubble" has
provided for you is evidence that meaningful treatments and a
legitimate version of "the magic pill" are not as far away as many of
you might think.*

The world of medical research and the cash cow generated by
Pharmaceutical Giants is and has 1000 times the power of ANY surgeon
on the face of this earth.* AGAIN!* Think!* Rogaine!, Viagra!,
Cialis!, the demand and financial rewards of a magic pill to make a
mans "winkie" bigger would be exponential compared to these!* It may
be quietly, but there are incredible sums now being spent to be the
first one out with this one guys!*

It is coming!

In the meanwhile, hey, if you want the lengthening procedure get a
good surgeon and GO FOR IT!* Try some other stuff for the girth and
if you keep the foreign bodies out you're still eligible for
the "magic pill" when it eventually gets here.*

Best to All

Ken

[kingpin]

Well first off alloderm and bellederm are used in many procedures that occur inside the body. Not just skin grafting outside the body, like the person said in that letter you posted. As for the research i did, I have a friend who has a PHD and is in medical school and he gave me access to some journal articles on how these things work when put in the body. From all the research that i had access too. it is very likly.. something like 98% that your body accepts the graft and froms its own blood vessels and cells aroud the alloderm or belladerm. Essentially making it a part of your body. So the risk of is very very minimal after u have healed. in fact the main issue is infection which is the main problem with any surgery.

The reason i went to Rosenthal is because i felt he was an open book and had nothing to hide and he was on the younger side for a surgeon. I also talked to a few of his patients from the 90's all of who were really happy...

As for the placement of the graft. No these isnt an incision on the head BUT the graft is placed all the way at the top. He does this by backing the penis out during surgery to get full exposure. he explained it to me before surgery.. there is no seperation between head and graft. it looks natural.

as for cost it was 10'500 for both widening and lengthening together.. not to bad i think. only a few thousand more than breast implants. hope that helped!!!

[londonlad]

of course it helps, your honest answers are very much appreciated.

Can you point me towards some of those journals so I can study some more about why/how the body decides to grow cells and blood vessels inside this "foreign" matrix? Im still particularly nervous about the encapsulation thing and wonder why so many people report contracture, but maybe it depends on the surgeon's experience and the patient following protocol to ensure good blood flow...

So the main thing for you right now is to keep the incision site totally bacteria free untill fully healed and you should be scot free which would be very cool

I know Dr Reed prefers to stage the length and girth surgeries so that the patient can begin traction as soon as possible without opening incision or compromising graft take, so again you are lucky that there was no retraction in the last 4 weeks as scar tissue could have reattached the suspensory ligament to the pubic bone and made you even shorter which has been known to happen...

my own penis was degloved (unsheathed) top down from an incision below the glans and yours was kind of turned inside out from the base which means your scar can be hidden by pubic hair which is good

did he give you a course of antibiotic tablets and give you antbiiotics intravenously during surgery?

I suppose you are still in touch with rosenthal since you are only a month out, so would it be terribly cheeky of me to ask you to ask his views about the contracture and especially encapsulation? I promise I wont bug you again

also look forward to your pics

you seem like you are doing well mentally and after a month out I suppose the biggest hurdle is probably over, maybe another month until you have the full all clear to test it out in someone's orifice!

[the seeker]

Interesting that Rosenthal is using Belladerm. I wonder how many docs will convert? Dr K and Dr Solomon use Belladerm. Wonder what Reed thinks about Belladerm?

Did Rosenthal mention the potential girth gain with Belladerm? Did you request a .6" girth increase (or thereabouts)?

[kingpin]

He isnt only using belladerm. He gives the patient the choice between belladerm and alloderm. However he said the strips of belladerm look thicker so u might potentially get better gains.

I didnt request any specific girth gain. i was hoping for an inch but obviously didnt get that, so maybe in a year or 2 ill do it again to put me at 6 inch girth which is my goal. My length goal is 8 which i think i should be able to accomplish from this surgery...stretching starts next week.

Does anyone have any experience with post op stretching and how to get best gains?

[UncleJJ]

Kingpin: Thanks again and again for your candid posts. What a help to all of us...

Londonlad: Thanks to you and your always-valid questions.

Best to all....Uncle