I had a phone consultation with Elist

[ScienceMan]

First of all, he seems to be a very decent and knowledgeable fellow. I was very surprised to learn he did not insert a silicone spacer after cutting the suspensory ligament. I thought this was something he did in addition to the silicone girth insert if requested.

In fact, he said silicone spacers are dangerous because they can move around in the body even if they have been stitched in, so he did not recommend the procedure...even though the study passed around this site indicates spacers are the most effective way of gaining length. Of course every doctor is going to promote his way of doing things, but all in all he went light on the self promotion.

He had some negative things to say about Alloderm....mainly a few botched jobs he corrected.

Does anyone know of any doctors that use silicone spacers, other than Knight (no offence)? I want to hear an advocate's position......

[longbeach1]

ScienceMan,

Thats great info!
I also called Elist about 1 month ago and asked him about the silicon spacer method that most of us recently heard about.(Dr. Knight etc)

Dr. Elist said it was nothing new and had been big in Europe and other places over that last decade or so. He went on to say that the technique never proved itself to be effective long term. He mentioned high infection rates as a common problem. He also mentioned major problems with the spacer "unseating" itself. That makes me wonder if an active lifestyle would cause this type complication.. eg. Sports, working out, running, biking etc...

I would love hear from past Dr. Knights patients as well as other patients from Dr.'s that also employ the 'spacer lengthening method'...
Speaking of other doctors, Do we have a list of Dr.'s currently using the spacer successfully??

Uncle and London I already hear the keyboard keys clicking! lol

Thanks!

[Mustang2010]

I have a question; why would a stitched silicon spacer move around more or less than, let's say, the Elist implant itself?

I have the EList girth implant and it does not move around at all. It is stitched to the penis right behind the head, I am told....

Also, I believe that due to the shape of the Elist implant and its depth, a spacer is not needed if the legiment is cut? this is my own thinking and I am not a Dr

[ScienceMan]

Originally Posted by Mustang2010

I have a question; why would a stitched silicon spacer move around more or less than, let's say, the Elist implant itself?

I have the EList girth implant and it does not move around at all. It is stitched to the penis right behind the head, I am told....

Also, I believe that due to the shape of the Elist implant and its depth, a spacer is not needed if the legiment is cut? this is my own thinking and I am not a Dr

I asked him why a stiched silicone piece would be suseptible to move about and he stated that the positioning of it against or near the shaft as it retracts and extends may loosen and move the implant. Sounds plausible, but I would think, as you implied, that a stiched piece to the head would be even more vunerable.

He did say that the silicone girth implant was long enough that if the patient choose to have the sus lig cut it would act as a spacer.

[UncleJJ]

Longbeach: Here is that click.....lol....
Thanks for the info.

[longbeach1]

Thanks Uncle! lol

I'm planning on consulting again with Dr. Elist in person in the next couple of weeks.. If I move ahead with the silicon implant it will be over the summer. I start law school in September and i'm thinking i want to be pain free by the time I start.. According to the good dr. the recovery is a couple of weeks, but according to what i'm reading 'out here' the recovery seems to be more like 2-3 months.. Anyone with thoughts about the 'pain time frame' please jump in!

I consulted with Elist early last year, but i was scared off by the negative press and seemingly mediocre results that were being posted out here.. It seems that Dr. Elist has really up'd his game.. Perhaps his technique is getting better and better.. I hope!!

[marknmau]

Hi longbeach: As far as "pain time frame" I would say it's bad for 2 weeks, much better by 3 weeks and almost gone by 4 weeks. of course, erections and moving it around is a little painful until about 5 weeks. I think the 2-3 months that you're talking about is for painfree sex, being able to work out and run and bend all you want, and for the capsule to be mostly formed and everything all smoothed out and no pain 24/7. But you should be able to get around ok by 2-3 weeks. Good luck!

[longbeach1]

marknmau,

Thanks for that info... That really helps me plan this thing out.. My biggest concern is being able to walk, talk and think without being on pain meds and without being in pain...
Last year I recall on the "old forum" there were Elist patients that complained/reported that they were in pain for extended periods of time.. I remember one poster stating that the recovery was closer to 4-6 months instead of the 6-8 weeks that Elist was telling his patients.. Honestly, I feel very comfortable with Dr. Elist and his technique.. I've talked with him on the phone and met with him in person and there is no doubt this guy knows his business.. But I truly believe that his technique has improved tremendously in this last year or so.. I've also read and been told that he has updated his implant design to be more compatible.. Dr. Elist told me on the phone that he does not 'trim' the implant as he did in the past.. He said trimming the implant causes sharp edges that can/will cause complications.. I really appreciate Dr. Elist for his honesty.. Also the fact that he is a Urologist is comforting.. I've learned through my research that very few "cock Docs" are actually Urologists.. Something to certainly consider when making a decision on a doctor and technique..

[Mustang2010]

I believe that due to the nature of these ops, any of these Dr's should be as good of a Urologist as a plastic surgeon. This is required to get excellent results in both looks and performance. I believe that most breast enhancements Dr's are also very good female Dr's?

If Dr. Elsit does not trim his implants, how does he make it fit? Does he order each implant based on patient's measurements? I do not know hence I am asking. I think he "may" have meant he does not trim the edges but he trims the length?

when I went in, he started showing me a grey colored implant, then he ran outside and came back with a newer implant that looked better. It had a white color vs a grey color. He told me this is the newer design that I will be getting...

[UncleJJ]

Thanks to all you guys. Hey, Longbeach, good luck in law school!
Get your penis fixed first.